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I personally believe there are different measures of faith in a person, depending on how close their walk with Jesus is.Click to expand...
I understand what you are saying here, and in your next post, but I have concerns about what we mean by doubt and certaintyMy physical form does not prevent me from knowing anything. I call that ignorance or unlearned.
My corporeal form carries no doubt about God.
Does earthly life mandate faith as a requirement "to be"? Afterlife with God requires faith. Growing into what kind of faith?Click to expand...
I understand what you are saying here, and in your next post, but I have concerns about what we mean by doubt and certainty
First conceptually -
You are right to say that knowledge comes from faith as well as from logical evidence, but we humans are finite beings trying to grasp spiritually beyond our capacity, and this we can only do with God's help. The trouble is that we can in good faith have misconceptions about what we know and believe - in fact there always will be misconceptions in this life because we are finite creatures trying to hold onto the infinite. It's vital that we have doubts in my opinion because without them we stop with our certainties, and those certainties will inevitably have both real truth in them mixed up with our own misunderstandings. We can't put God in a box that way and relax, because he isn't just in there. I don't think any human alive, no matter how great their faith, can say they know God, and with that ignorance comes doubt - a good doubt that stops us inventing God rather than seeking him.
Then practically -
I find that being very certain about the existence of God is often not helpful to people who feel there might be something, but are not able to make a leap of faith. It can create a them-and-us sort of barrier, which risks seeming like believers looking down on those who don't believe or who aren't ready to yet. This path of doubt is one that many follow and it's important to support them by recognizing their doubt and helping them to understand it is part of the human lot. Without that empathic companionship from people with more spiritual knowledge many will just give up and turn away because they cannot see how they could ever be so certain.Click to expand...
It's very easy when we talk about doubt and certainty for the words to mean different things in different contexts. What I fear is the kind of certainty that becomes a sort of idolatry and that turns genuine spirituality into a man-made thing. We only have to look at the history of Christianity to see that from just a few decades old it broke up into factions with competing ideas about its fundamental truths and its source of authority, and this has gone on down the centuries to the present day. They can't all be right, yet their adherents surely thought that they and they alone had the only truth. This is why I fear certainty because it could easily come from myself, or from some other human person, rather than from God. I hope it doesn't, but I feel that such doubt is the way I keep the door open for the Spirit to guide me. This isn't the same as doubt about the existence of God, but about who he is, and what our relationship with him actually is, both personally and collectively.Doubt is a multi-faceted word we use in the English language. I agree doubt has its place, but disagree it is allowed in certain realms of mature understanding.
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All ye faithful"Click to expand...
I wish God existed. It would be much easier to live. Just do good and you'll be rewarded at the end.
We can play logical and semantic games, but it's pretty clear that God doesn't exist.Click to expand...
I suppose your measure is shall we say above the curve, according to you.
To make such an assertion implies a sense of superiority.Click to expand...
How can I know if God exists?
How can I know if God exists and what kind of God it is?
Why there are people with naturally magical thinking if magic doesn't exists at all?
What is the meaning of this? This is super weird to me. Can you all see the implication?Click to expand...
I read the atheist arguments and they seen too shallow -not deep enough- to me.
Most of them are from scientists, and science is reductionist. I feel like Science can't explain 90% of phenomena, let alone the spirituality.
But I think there is something that must exist. Why there are so many magical believers in the world? Why a concept that not exists should stay as an idea on many people in the world? Even mitological creatures stem from existents beings, example unicorns: horses, etc.
David Ritchey say on his book that this is an anomaly or even a mental illness. He (and his followers) wrote that being INFP or INFJ is having schizotypical personality (I can't remember where I read this), and that is untrue. We are simply normal human beings.
They patologized normal ways of being, just to say that the supernatural does not exist.
I know belief in God or the supernatural doesn't depend of culture, thanks to MBTI we know some people are simple wired to be believers and they are not crazy.
All the matter we can see is 5%, what if INFPs for example can see another aspects of matter that the rest of us can't? Many of them report experiences with aliens, others believe they are vampires or angels, and they are not insane.
And INFJs are aware of how other people perceive the world, INFJs not necessarily have magical thinking, I am a rationalist, for example, and I'm not the only one.
Atheits/skeptic arguments are even childish sometimes.
How can I know if God exists and what kind of God it is?Click to expand...
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